How to Actually Start Regulating Your Nervous System

[00:00:00] Hey there, and welcome to the Heal With Grace podcast.
[00:00:03] I'm your host, Grace Secker,
[00:00:05] and I'm a holistic licensed therapist
[00:00:07] and nervous system coach who believes
[00:00:09] that the chronic and often unseen symptoms
[00:00:13] you're living with are a sign of something deeper going on.
[00:00:16] A sign that your nervous system needs attention.
[00:00:19] In each episode, I'll share the science
[00:00:21] behind the most common chronic health disorders
[00:00:24] plus holistic tips using mental, physical,
[00:00:26] and spiritual practices.
[00:00:28] You'll hear what I've learned in my journey
[00:00:29] and the true stories from our trusted guests
[00:00:32] so you can feel less alone in your experience
[00:00:35] and give yourself grace no matter what you're going through.
[00:00:38] So without further ado, settle in and get cozy.
[00:00:41] It's time to heal with grace.
[00:00:42] If you're living with a symptom that will not quit,
[00:00:46] the pain, the fatigue, the dizziness,
[00:00:49] the gut stuff, anxiety, whatever it might be
[00:00:52] that lives in your body,
[00:00:54] you are not still struggling
[00:00:56] just because you haven't done enough.
[00:00:59] Most of you have done so much.
[00:01:01] You can probably tell me all the different types of tests
[00:01:06] and practitioners and doctors and Reddit's
[00:01:08] and Googling it and AI searches that you've gone down,
[00:01:11] all the different chats you've had with AI.
[00:01:14] You might be able to even explain like,
[00:01:17] okay, I recognize now
[00:01:18] that there's a nervous system component here.
[00:01:20] I know that there's a brain body component.
[00:01:22] You've probably been to therapy.
[00:01:23] Maybe you've started to read some of the books
[00:01:26] and maybe you've started to have some insight
[00:01:27] and maybe even you're fully bought in.
[00:01:30] You're like, yeah, my symptoms are my body.
[00:01:32] And so that's wonderful and amazing.
[00:01:34] And it can be frustrating when you know a lot
[00:01:36] but nothing's changing.
[00:01:38] This work is a practice.
[00:01:40] It is truly a practice for a reason.
[00:01:43] And I mean, if you've heard this episode
[00:01:46] or this podcast at all,
[00:01:47] you've heard my story probably a lot
[00:01:49] and the amount of years that it's taken
[00:01:51] for me to get to where I am.
[00:01:53] Now it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be you.
[00:01:55] I circled a lot.
[00:01:56] I went in and out of this a lot for a while.
[00:01:58] So, take that for what it is.
[00:02:02] But my point being is that this is not only
[00:02:05] an unlearning for your mind and your body.
[00:02:08] This is a unlearning of the patterns in your brain,
[00:02:11] literally coated in your brain and in your body
[00:02:14] that you have had for probably most of your life
[00:02:17] or it's built up over your life.
[00:02:19] And that's unlearning that.
[00:02:21] And then there's a whole relearning process
[00:02:24] of different brain patterns
[00:02:27] and states in your body and nervous system.
[00:02:29] And it's not just about the pause and the breathing
[00:02:32] and slowing down and operating a little bit differently, right?
[00:02:37] If you see some of those videos online that are like
[00:02:39] when I POV, I need to work on my nervous system
[00:02:42] and the person is like frantically cleaning
[00:02:45] their sink really fastly or vacuuming really fast
[00:02:48] or rushing to get in the car,
[00:02:49] rushing to get clothed or dressed.
[00:02:53] Yes, that's very important because we operate off
[00:02:55] of a nervous system that's in a stress response oftentimes.
[00:02:59] So we do need to learn different ways of literally
[00:03:01] physically moving within the world and how we operate.
[00:03:06] But the reason why sometimes this work is a practice
[00:03:08] and it takes time is not only are you shifting
[00:03:10] those external patterns like the way that you behave
[00:03:12] and you act and you move,
[00:03:14] but you're also shifting the way that you see yourself
[00:03:17] and you're shifting how some of the belief patterns
[00:03:20] that have been encoded within yourself.
[00:03:23] So that might look like shifting the belief pattern
[00:03:27] of you're not good enough,
[00:03:29] the belief pattern that you're not worthy of actually health
[00:03:31] and happiness or the fear of being alone.
[00:03:35] And those are very real and true
[00:03:36] and you've adapted to those for a long time
[00:03:39] for many reasons and based on your experience in life.
[00:03:42] Yes, the work is contextual, behavioral.
[00:03:44] It matters how you operate and move
[00:03:47] and what you do, right?
[00:03:48] The behaviors matter, but also the emotions
[00:03:52] and the belief systems that you probably have not allowed
[00:03:56] yourself to really fully look at and understand.
[00:03:59] To be honest, they matter a lot more in the long term.
[00:04:02] We need both, right?
[00:04:03] We need behaviors, we need thought change,
[00:04:05] we need emotion change, we need beliefs change.
[00:04:09] But what I wanna talk about today is,
[00:04:11] okay, you're starting to recognize all of this.
[00:04:14] Now, what do you do with that, right?
[00:04:16] One thing I wanna note here before moving on
[00:04:18] is that you don't have to understand
[00:04:21] and go back to the depths of trauma
[00:04:23] or understand every part of you
[00:04:26] or experience in your life that led to this point.
[00:04:29] You really don't.
[00:04:30] Sometimes it is helpful to understand and work through.
[00:04:33] Yes, 100%, that is where trauma therapy comes into place.
[00:04:37] That's where somatic healing and parts work
[00:04:40] and journals speak.
[00:04:41] That's all of that is there for that reason.
[00:04:44] But you do not have to go back
[00:04:46] to every little experience to actually move forward.
[00:04:49] Some people believe that if I find the root,
[00:04:51] if I name the trauma, if I trace it all the way back
[00:04:53] to where it started, then I'll be free.
[00:04:55] And the whole model we inherited says
[00:04:58] that understanding the root and healing follows.
[00:05:00] But that's not exactly how it works.
[00:05:05] What I've come to believe
[00:05:07] after so many years of doing this work
[00:05:08] is that understanding and healing
[00:05:10] are two completely different skills.
[00:05:12] They go together and they work together.
[00:05:15] But one lives in the mind and one lives in the mind body.
[00:05:19] So understanding something,
[00:05:20] you can consciously and cognitively
[00:05:23] understand something, right?
[00:05:24] You can understand the theory behind it.
[00:05:26] But actually shifting that theory comes
[00:05:28] with the practice of getting in tune
[00:05:30] with what's actually happening in your body
[00:05:32] and in your mind and learning how to shift
[00:05:35] out of the states of stress
[00:05:36] and into the states of rest and digest
[00:05:38] more often than not.
[00:05:40] We need stress.
[00:05:41] Stress is very normal.
[00:05:43] So going into the stress response
[00:05:44] is totally normal.
[00:05:46] It's just that we don't wanna live there all the time.
[00:05:49] The problem that I see a lot
[00:05:50] is that almost everyone stops at step one, right?
[00:05:53] I listened to the podcast.
[00:05:54] I've read the books.
[00:05:55] I understand all these things.
[00:05:57] I get it, right?
[00:05:58] And I wanna say a quick note about this too
[00:06:01] as me learning this as a therapist.
[00:06:03] And then if any other therapist
[00:06:04] or practitioners are listening to this,
[00:06:06] which I know you are so amazing, good for you.
[00:06:09] Not only if you're helping yourself
[00:06:10] but also obviously your clients.
[00:06:12] I seriously thought that I was a pretty good therapist,
[00:06:15] which, okay, I'm not gonna like shit on myself here.
[00:06:17] I think I've always been a pretty good therapist.
[00:06:19] But before I got to this work, man,
[00:06:22] there's so much I didn't fully embody and understand.
[00:06:25] And maybe that's just my journey, right?
[00:06:28] My journey of getting to where I am.
[00:06:30] I'm sure plenty of other practitioners
[00:06:31] get here in some way, shape or form
[00:06:33] and in other ways, right?
[00:06:34] There's not one right way.
[00:06:35] But my point being is that
[00:06:37] even if you are not a practitioner
[00:06:39] and you've been to a bunch of different therapies,
[00:06:41] you've been to all the healing modalities,
[00:06:43] maybe you've taken plant medicine,
[00:06:44] maybe you've gone to so many different
[00:06:46] healing circles and journeys.
[00:06:48] I did that too.
[00:06:49] And I truly believe that everyone has a time and a place
[00:06:52] to get to this work and make a change.
[00:06:55] We cannot force our own patterns.
[00:06:58] We cannot force our way out of the stress
[00:07:00] and into the recovery.
[00:07:01] So insight happens in one part of your brain.
[00:07:03] Regulation happens somewhere else entirely.
[00:07:06] You can have a brilliant, accurate,
[00:07:07] life-changing realization
[00:07:09] about why your body is the way it is
[00:07:10] and your nervous system can still be sitting.
[00:07:13] They are completely unmoved by it
[00:07:15] because it doesn't speak the languages of insight.
[00:07:18] It speaks the language of experience.
[00:07:20] If you have a symptom that's been hanging around
[00:07:22] for more than about six months,
[00:07:24] your nervous system is involved.
[00:07:26] And that is true no matter what your scans say,
[00:07:29] no matter what your labs say,
[00:07:30] no matter how many specialists
[00:07:32] have just not really been helpful.
[00:07:36] Or maybe they're telling you something
[00:07:38] like you have to keep doing this
[00:07:39] or you have to keep doing that.
[00:07:40] There's fear, right?
[00:07:41] There's a lot of fear in diagnoses.
[00:07:44] There's a lot of fear when we get certain types
[00:07:47] of testing back or labels
[00:07:49] or we're explained why something
[00:07:51] in our bodies are happening this way.
[00:07:53] There's a lot of fear.
[00:07:54] So what we do with fear is we try to control,
[00:07:56] we try to treat, we try to manage, we try to fix.
[00:08:00] What I'm offering that instead of insight around
[00:08:03] explaining why something's happening
[00:08:04] and how it's happening,
[00:08:05] which again is wonderful and we very much so need that.
[00:08:08] But the way to make moves is to let go of the fear.
[00:08:14] Let go of the belief systems that are getting you stuck.
[00:08:17] Expand your tolerance for the deeper motions
[00:08:19] that you've never actually allowed yourself to feel.
[00:08:22] I am not saying that by doing this,
[00:08:25] it means your pain or your symptoms are in your head.
[00:08:27] Not at all, not even close.
[00:08:30] Your symptoms are 100% real,
[00:08:31] your pain is real,
[00:08:32] your fatigue is real.
[00:08:34] The findings or the lack of findings are real too, right?
[00:08:37] But your nervous system is in the loop
[00:08:39] and all of those things are true at the same time.
[00:08:43] And this is the part that the old medical model
[00:08:45] never really had room for, that there is both.
[00:08:48] You can have inflammation in your body,
[00:08:50] you can have a bulge disc,
[00:08:52] you can have a low immune system
[00:08:54] and your nervous system is very much so 100% involved
[00:08:58] because it's involved in everything in your body.
[00:09:00] So you may know why you're dysregulated too.
[00:09:03] Maybe you have some experience,
[00:09:05] some trauma in life that's going on,
[00:09:06] something in work, something in your relationship,
[00:09:08] something in family and life where you live.
[00:09:10] And you also might recognize that,
[00:09:13] okay, I do have this abnormality in my body.
[00:09:16] So here's what I wanna bring about.
[00:09:19] Insight and information are wonderful.
[00:09:21] Understanding if you have low levels
[00:09:24] of minerals in your body
[00:09:26] and you need to balance them
[00:09:27] or you want to work on balancing them, wonderful.
[00:09:29] Great, that's super important.
[00:09:31] I actually very much want you to do that.
[00:09:33] I posted a real little bit ago
[00:09:35] talking about my mold history.
[00:09:37] I went down the physical functional route
[00:09:39] and I detox my body.
[00:09:41] I got some IV support, some ozone support.
[00:09:44] And at that time, I recognize, I very much so do,
[00:09:46] I recognize this, that I got really caught
[00:09:49] in the physical model.
[00:09:50] I got caught.
[00:09:51] I was doing some mind body stuff
[00:09:52] but nothing was working.
[00:09:53] So I was like, damn, maybe it's just truly physical
[00:09:55] this time.
[00:09:56] So I went down the physical route.
[00:09:57] Now I went too far in the other direction
[00:10:01] and I did not actually look at my response
[00:10:03] and my reaction towards what was happening.
[00:10:05] I was in a hole.
[00:10:07] I was in a hole of disappointment
[00:10:09] and disbelief and grief and shame
[00:10:11] and I didn't really work with it.
[00:10:13] And all I was doing was getting treatment
[00:10:15] after treatment, detox and protocol,
[00:10:16] which was really exhausting my body.
[00:10:20] Now, if I were in some sort of situation
[00:10:23] where mold was, if I got tested
[00:10:25] and I had really high levels again,
[00:10:27] would I go down that route?
[00:10:28] Actually, yes, I would.
[00:10:29] I would go and I would get the certain treatments
[00:10:34] that actually helped me.
[00:10:35] Now, the thing that would be different here
[00:10:37] is that I would know that that's just one part,
[00:10:39] one piece of the puzzle for myself.
[00:10:41] And I think this is a very big caveat
[00:10:44] with a lot of different symptoms.
[00:10:46] I think it totally depends on what the symptoms are.
[00:10:48] For me, that was helpful
[00:10:50] because again, it was high,
[00:10:52] like very high levels in my body.
[00:10:55] Now, did I do those IVs to then get down
[00:10:58] to no levels of mold in my body?
[00:11:00] No, that is not a goal for me
[00:11:01] because everyone has something.
[00:11:03] So I am not looking for perfect scans.
[00:11:05] I'm not looking for perfect test results.
[00:11:07] I'm just looking for a little bit of a decrease
[00:11:09] to help me balance out the minerals
[00:11:11] and everything else in my body.
[00:11:12] While at the same time,
[00:11:14] that's kind of like a side piece that's going on,
[00:11:16] while at the same time,
[00:11:17] the biggest and most important thing I'm doing
[00:11:20] is looking at my emotional state.
[00:11:22] I'm being radically honest about how I'm living my life.
[00:11:26] Am I actually living in alignment with what I want?
[00:11:29] Am I actually living in alignment with my body's rhythm?
[00:11:34] Am I pushing myself too hard?
[00:11:37] Am I expecting myself to be somewhere that I'm not?
[00:11:40] Am I disappointed, resentful, bitter
[00:11:42] at something that's going on in life?
[00:11:45] Those are the biggest things that I'm working on
[00:11:47] instead of the physical.
[00:11:50] Not in lieu of not letting go of,
[00:11:54] but it all goes together.
[00:11:57] And one really big part I want to say here too,
[00:11:59] and I know I've gotten a little off track
[00:12:01] from the beginning of this episode,
[00:12:02] so just bear with me, keep going,
[00:12:04] is that there is nuance here, y'all.
[00:12:06] It is not all or nothing.
[00:12:08] And when we bring all or nothing to this work,
[00:12:10] all or nothing frame of mind and thinking,
[00:12:12] it stresses us out even more.
[00:12:15] So I think there's a time and a place
[00:12:17] to really double down on some of this work, right?
[00:12:19] If you're kind of tiptoeing around it,
[00:12:21] you're in and out,
[00:12:22] but you're not actually giving it
[00:12:23] the time and the space that it needs.
[00:12:26] Yeah, I think that you need to double down
[00:12:27] and really go all in.
[00:12:29] But it's not about expecting yourself
[00:12:32] to make this huge full recovery
[00:12:34] because you're doubling down and going all in,
[00:12:36] or it's not about spending all day and time on it.
[00:12:38] I don't want healing to be your life.
[00:12:41] It probably is right now
[00:12:42] because your illness and your pain has been your life.
[00:12:46] But a big part of this is actually
[00:12:48] getting out of that space
[00:12:49] where your pain and your illness
[00:12:51] and your recovery is your life.
[00:12:54] We don't want it to be your life.
[00:12:55] We want to retrain your brain to know that actually
[00:12:57] we don't need this in order to protect you
[00:13:01] from whatever is going on in life.
[00:13:02] So remember that insight, right?
[00:13:05] Understanding awareness, that's the map.
[00:13:07] The practice, the regulation, that's the road.
[00:13:10] And a map, no matter how detailed,
[00:13:12] no matter how accurate,
[00:13:14] a map never moved anyone a single inch.
[00:13:17] You can study the map for years,
[00:13:18] but you still have to walk the road.
[00:13:20] And the road could be a few different things
[00:13:23] all put into one.
[00:13:24] The reason why I don't talk a lot
[00:13:26] about the physical side is because obviously
[00:13:28] I am not an MD.
[00:13:30] I am not a physical practitioner.
[00:13:32] I am a therapist and a coach.
[00:13:34] So I stay in my wheelhouse.
[00:13:35] I stay to what I know.
[00:13:37] I stick to what I know.
[00:13:39] But I think that it is very important to recognize
[00:13:42] that I'm not sitting here being like
[00:13:44] you can literally heal everything
[00:13:45] by just mind, body, neuroplastic symptom,
[00:13:47] brain retraining, somatic work,
[00:13:49] nervous system regulation.
[00:13:51] I myself have done so many different types
[00:13:54] of things in my journey that have truly helped me.
[00:13:58] But it wasn't until I really recognized
[00:14:02] that actually the neuroplastic symptom
[00:14:05] or the reason behind all my symptoms
[00:14:07] was a brain stuck in danger mode
[00:14:10] and a nervous system that was dysregulated
[00:14:12] and emotions that were stuck in my body
[00:14:14] that were never felt.
[00:14:15] It wasn't until I really honed in on that.
[00:14:18] And I mean, I understood it.
[00:14:20] I got it.
[00:14:21] I started working with it.
[00:14:23] That's when I started healing
[00:14:26] the most I've ever healed.
[00:14:27] Like I let go of symptoms left and right
[00:14:30] because I truly was with all of these practices
[00:14:33] that I share with you all.
[00:14:36] So just learning about things
[00:14:37] is not gonna be the thing that helps you.
[00:14:41] Just doing one protocol, one detox,
[00:14:44] one physical treatment,
[00:14:47] that's not gonna help you either.
[00:14:49] And depending on where you are,
[00:14:51] totally depending on your symptom,
[00:14:53] your condition, whatever it is,
[00:14:55] only doing this work,
[00:14:57] well, actually that might help you.
[00:14:59] But I don't want to induce fear or shame
[00:15:03] if you want to get a body work session
[00:15:05] or work with someone else.
[00:15:08] Just do what feels good.
[00:15:10] But if you are constantly giving your power
[00:15:13] over to other practitioners,
[00:15:14] if you're constantly searching for the next best thing,
[00:15:17] you are in hyper-visual mode,
[00:15:19] you're in a stressed-out state
[00:15:21] and whatever you do in that realm
[00:15:24] probably won't move the needle very much
[00:15:27] until you actually work with the underlying root cause
[00:15:30] which is your brain and your nervous system.
[00:15:32] Therapy is amazing.
[00:15:34] Body work is amazing.
[00:15:35] Functional medicine is amazing.
[00:15:38] And it all can help you build trust within yourself.
[00:15:40] It can build awareness.
[00:15:41] It can build the co-regulation that you might need
[00:15:45] if you have someone that you really trust.
[00:15:47] So I am not here to throw any of that away.
[00:15:50] But on its own, it does not usually move the needle
[00:15:53] in actually regulating your system
[00:15:56] to get out of the symptoms that you're in.
[00:15:58] You're not missing the knowledge.
[00:16:00] You're not missing the education most likely.
[00:16:02] What's missing is a framework
[00:16:04] for the rewiring of the mind and the body.
[00:16:07] Something sequenced, repeatable, practiced, teachable.
[00:16:11] It's a math that you can follow, right?
[00:16:14] Part of the reason I really loved
[00:16:15] and grabbed onto this work was because
[00:16:17] there was structure behind it.
[00:16:19] There was structure behind retraining the brain
[00:16:21] and regulating the nervous system
[00:16:22] which felt amazing to me.
[00:16:24] Like, oh, I can grab onto these steps, right?
[00:16:27] Now, obviously not everything is perfect
[00:16:29] and laid out in step one, two and three.
[00:16:31] There's nuance and there's a lot of depth to each space
[00:16:33] and there's some time sitting in the
[00:16:35] what the hell do I do today phase and that's fine.
[00:16:38] But there really can be a structure
[00:16:40] in helping you understand, okay, what do I do now?
[00:16:43] What do I do when I'm in a flare?
[00:16:45] What do I do when I'm just starting out, right?
[00:16:47] I love that as a client and I really love that
[00:16:50] as being a therapist and a practitioner.
[00:16:53] I've always been someone that doesn't follow
[00:16:55] an exact one, two, three step practice
[00:16:57] like in therapy with my clients
[00:16:59] but giving you a framework actually has really helped.
[00:17:02] It helps you, right?
[00:17:03] And it helps me track
[00:17:04] and help you get the progress that you need.
[00:17:07] So if you've been understanding yourself in circles
[00:17:10] and you're tired and you're tired of just like
[00:17:13] constantly searching for the next best thing
[00:17:15] or trying to understand everything
[00:17:17] so that you can finally start doing the work,
[00:17:19] I will tell you there is never gonna be
[00:17:22] a point where you understand it all.
[00:17:24] You have to just start, you have to jump in
[00:17:26] and you have to start practicing.
[00:17:28] So if you want to learn how to do that,
[00:17:31] I have a couple options for you.
[00:17:32] One, there's at the bottom of the show notes
[00:17:35] and this podcast, I have a free masterclass training
[00:17:39] and it teaches you a lot of what's actually going on
[00:17:42] when you have mind-body symptoms
[00:17:44] that actually walks you through an assessment
[00:17:46] that I use with each one of my clients
[00:17:48] to help understand, okay, this condition,
[00:17:51] this illness, this symptomology, this pain,
[00:17:53] whatever you're experiencing,
[00:17:54] is this what we call neuroplastic or not?
[00:17:57] Is this mind-body nervous system related or not?
[00:17:59] And then when we recognize what is,
[00:18:01] then we go and we help you, we get out of it,
[00:18:04] we help you regulate your nervous system
[00:18:05] and retrain your brain.
[00:18:06] So my free training walks you through that
[00:18:08] and tells you what to do next
[00:18:10] if your symptoms are mind-body and stress-related.
[00:18:13] And then if that's the case
[00:18:15] and you want to actually start doing this work,
[00:18:17] you can join the mind-body healing method.
[00:18:19] It is the nervous system and brain training program
[00:18:22] that I have had for years now
[00:18:23] and that I have put all of my soul and effort into it.
[00:18:27] It's the program I wish I would have had
[00:18:29] when I started this work.
[00:18:32] It has the steps, it has the phases
[00:18:34] and it has the community support behind it.
[00:18:37] So go ahead and find the links below
[00:18:39] and if you have any questions, please let me know.
[00:18:42] And last but not least, if you are a practitioner,
[00:18:46] if you are a coach or a therapist,
[00:18:48] someone that wants to start implementing this work
[00:18:51] with the people that you see and that you support,
[00:18:55] I have a very special training for you coming up
[00:18:58] and it is launching very soon
[00:19:00] and I am looking for a certain amount of people,
[00:19:03] a small amount of people
[00:19:04] to go through the first cohort with me.
[00:19:06] This is something I've been dreaming for a while
[00:19:08] and I cannot wait to not only help you help your clients
[00:19:12] but this is a special cohort, this is a special training
[00:19:15] because it is not just about,
[00:19:17] let me teach you the skills
[00:19:18] and walk you through the slides.
[00:19:20] No, it is how do you actually apply this
[00:19:23] to yourself first so that you can expand your tolerance
[00:19:26] and your nervous system in order to help your clients
[00:19:30] even more.
[00:19:31] I truly believe that we have to walk the walk
[00:19:35] as we talk the talk.
[00:19:36] I've always held that very close to my heart
[00:19:38] and I truly don't trust other practitioners
[00:19:41] that don't do the same.
[00:19:43] That might sound a little harsh, but it's true.
[00:19:46] So I truly believe we have to learn before we can help
[00:19:48] and that is a big part of this training.
[00:19:51] So anyway, again, if you have any questions, let me know
[00:19:53] but you can join the wait list below
[00:19:55] and I look forward to seeing y'all next week.
[00:19:58] Keep healing with Grace.
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[00:20:02] it would mean so much to me
[00:20:03] if you could do these couple things.
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[00:20:17] so that this podcast can reach more people,
[00:20:20] it would mean so much to me
[00:20:22] so I can continue sharing episodes
[00:20:23] that help you as well as others.
[00:20:26] Thanks for listening
[00:20:27] and I hope this brings you hope on your journey.