The Thing That Was Missing From My Own Healing (And Probably Yours Too)

[00:00:00] We are not designed to heal in isolation.
[00:00:02] We are collectivistic people.
[00:00:05] And that's not just a motivational statement that's biology.
[00:00:08] Yet, the vast majority of healing content out there,
[00:00:11] including a lot of what I've created, is consumed alone.
[00:00:14] On headphones and a bedroom without anyone else in the room.
[00:00:17] Which is fine.
[00:00:18] It really is. It's a starting point.
[00:00:20] It's how I got through so much by listening
[00:00:23] and repeating meditations over and over.
[00:00:25] And that's a huge part of this.
[00:00:26] Don't get me wrong.
[00:00:27] That is important.
[00:00:28] But it's not the whole picture.
[00:00:30] Hey there.
[00:00:31] And welcome to Heal with Grace.
[00:00:33] I'm your host, Grace Secker,
[00:00:34] and I'm a holistic life and therapist and nervous system
[00:00:38] coach who believes that the chronic
[00:00:40] and often unseen symptoms you're living with
[00:00:42] are a sign of something deeper going on.
[00:00:45] A sign that your nervous system needs attention.
[00:00:48] In each episode, I'll share the science
[00:00:50] behind the most common chronic health disorders,
[00:00:53] cost holistic health tips using mental,
[00:00:55] physical, and spiritual practices.
[00:00:57] You'll hear what I've learned in my journey
[00:00:59] and the true stories from our trusted guests.
[00:01:02] So you can feel less alone in your experience
[00:01:04] and give yourself grace,
[00:01:06] no matter what you're going through.
[00:01:08] So without further ado,
[00:01:09] settle in and get cozy.
[00:01:11] It's time to Heal with Grace.
[00:01:13] Hey, y'all.
[00:01:13] Welcome back to the Heal with Grace podcast.
[00:01:16] I'm excited to talk to you today
[00:01:18] on my solo episode about really what I was missing
[00:01:22] from my own journey when I was going through this.
[00:01:24] If you don't know much about me or my story yet,
[00:01:27] if you're new here,
[00:01:27] I struggled with chronic symptoms for, to be honest,
[00:01:30] I'm one of those people that I can track back
[00:01:31] to childhood, like early, early days.
[00:01:34] But it didn't come about until my early 20s.
[00:01:37] And I knew nothing about this world.
[00:01:39] I didn't even know there was a world out there.
[00:01:41] Things like pain, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue,
[00:01:45] gut issues, headaches, migraines, long COVID.
[00:01:48] At the time it was Lyme that was really popular
[00:01:50] and being diagnosed all the time.
[00:01:51] Like so many different things.
[00:01:53] I had no idea.
[00:01:55] Now I ended up going to a therapist, thankfully,
[00:01:58] after I had a bunch of pain all over my body.
[00:02:01] Like it was not explained very well.
[00:02:02] I mean, I was told that I was hypermobile
[00:02:04] and that's why I had pain.
[00:02:06] But I mean not to the degree,
[00:02:08] like it didn't explain to the degree of pain
[00:02:09] that I had all over my body.
[00:02:12] This was in grad school
[00:02:13] and I like couldn't go to sleep
[00:02:14] because I was in so much pain.
[00:02:15] I was, I was young.
[00:02:16] I should not have been in that much pain.
[00:02:18] And thankfully I was sent to a psychologist
[00:02:20] who did the work that I do now.
[00:02:22] It wasn't called pain reprocessing therapy
[00:02:24] at the time, but it is now.
[00:02:25] And within six months, I pretty much was 90% recovered.
[00:02:30] And I didn't look back until a few years later
[00:02:33] when I developed all different kinds of symptoms
[00:02:35] like chronic fatigue, mold toxicity,
[00:02:37] gut issues, histamine reactions, migraine type symptoms,
[00:02:40] like the whole nine yards.
[00:02:41] And I didn't know it was the same type of work.
[00:02:43] So I went through the ringer again,
[00:02:46] doctor after doctor after doctor.
[00:02:48] And nothing was really changing
[00:02:50] until I came back to this work.
[00:02:52] I had like literally one of those moments
[00:02:54] where the light bulb one goes over your head.
[00:02:56] Ding, ding, ding.
[00:02:57] Oh yeah.
[00:02:58] The work you did with your pain
[00:02:59] can also be applied to your chronic symptoms and illnesses.
[00:03:04] And so I started just doing this work on my own.
[00:03:07] I didn't know there was any community out there.
[00:03:10] I didn't know there were programs
[00:03:12] like the one I have now like plenty of others.
[00:03:14] I just, I didn't know.
[00:03:15] And to be honest, there wasn't as much
[00:03:17] as there is these days.
[00:03:18] And what I want to tell you
[00:03:19] is about what I feel like was missing from that time
[00:03:22] that really prolonged my recovery journey.
[00:03:24] Because I was in and out still after this work.
[00:03:27] I was in and out for years.
[00:03:28] I'd be doing better and then I'd have flares
[00:03:30] and I'd question it all over again.
[00:03:31] Like what do I physically treat
[00:03:33] versus what do I mind body treat?
[00:03:35] I just, I didn't know.
[00:03:36] So that's what I want to talk to you about today.
[00:03:38] Like what, if you're in that state,
[00:03:40] if you are new to this work
[00:03:42] or if you've kind of dipped your toes in
[00:03:43] but you're still questioning
[00:03:44] like what I see could have really helped me in that time
[00:03:47] and how I'm going to walk you through it essentially.
[00:03:50] So for a while, I thought that I needed more and more information.
[00:03:54] Like if I just read one book, did one more training,
[00:03:58] understood the mechanisms a little better,
[00:04:00] something would finally click.
[00:04:01] Guess what?
[00:04:02] That's not what was missing.
[00:04:03] What was missing was somewhere to actually do this work
[00:04:07] consistently with other people who got it.
[00:04:09] With someone in my corner when things got hard,
[00:04:12] with structure that kept me showing up
[00:04:14] even on the weeks when I didn't really want to do it.
[00:04:16] Because I felt so isolated and alone.
[00:04:19] I literally didn't know one other person that felt like I did.
[00:04:23] I didn't know anyone else.
[00:04:24] I felt like I had to hide it from people,
[00:04:26] from my partner at the time.
[00:04:28] Thankfully some of my family,
[00:04:29] actually my parents kind of got it.
[00:04:32] We've been a family of health issues
[00:04:34] so health issues are not uncommon.
[00:04:37] But still I didn't,
[00:04:38] they weren't on the same healing trajectory I was.
[00:04:40] They weren't doing the same mind-body work
[00:04:41] so I couldn't connect with them
[00:04:42] and I didn't really know how to do it.
[00:04:44] So I just, I feel like that isolation
[00:04:46] and the secrecy that I felt like I had to hide,
[00:04:49] I felt like I kind of had to hide what I was doing
[00:04:51] because no one got it.
[00:04:52] That actually made me worse
[00:04:54] because there was some shame around it.
[00:04:55] There was some guilt,
[00:04:56] there was this feeling of I'm different,
[00:04:58] something's wrong with me.
[00:05:00] And instead what we actually very much so know
[00:05:02] is that healing in communities
[00:05:04] actually creates more healing and recovery.
[00:05:07] Doing it alone is harder
[00:05:09] and the body doesn't respond as well.
[00:05:11] So that's first and foremost very much so what.
[00:05:15] I feel like I needed
[00:05:17] and I'm gonna talk a little bit about that later.
[00:05:19] But basically if you're doing the same thing
[00:05:21] you're feeling alone,
[00:05:21] I can totally see you,
[00:05:23] totally hear you.
[00:05:23] That's a really hard way to do this.
[00:05:26] It's not impossible.
[00:05:27] I've gotten to where I am today from that period
[00:05:32] but it's harder than it needs to be.
[00:05:34] So one of the other things
[00:05:36] I wanna mention first actually
[00:05:38] is that the information alone does not heal,
[00:05:42] does not help you.
[00:05:43] It's very important.
[00:05:45] So the education that you see in this podcast
[00:05:49] and all over social media or books
[00:05:52] or videos that you see
[00:05:54] and you watch with people in the mind, body, healing space
[00:05:56] is so important, very important
[00:05:58] because you can't shift or change something
[00:06:00] if you don't understand what's happening.
[00:06:02] And we're asking you to look at your health
[00:06:03] from a total 180 view.
[00:06:05] Like you've understood how the body operates
[00:06:09] at this time up until this point in your life.
[00:06:12] You've been told if you have a physical problem
[00:06:13] you need a physical treatment.
[00:06:15] What we're saying is yeah you have a physical problem
[00:06:17] you're not making it up
[00:06:18] but the treatment isn't physical.
[00:06:20] The treatment is in your mind, body, connection.
[00:06:23] It's more emotional, psychological, nervous system based.
[00:06:26] So that's a big shift
[00:06:28] and that requires more than just knowledge.
[00:06:31] It requires constant reminders, lots of practices
[00:06:36] being with and using your somatic nervous system
[00:06:41] emotional regulation practices
[00:06:42] to move through and change.
[00:06:44] So you can listen to every podcast I put out.
[00:06:47] I hear people all the time tell me
[00:06:49] your podcast is so helpful.
[00:06:50] Thank you so much.
[00:06:51] I have learned and actually recovered symptoms
[00:06:54] like I felt better just by listening.
[00:06:56] And so that's huge.
[00:06:57] That's important, amazing.
[00:06:58] I'm glad you're here.
[00:06:59] I hope that this helps you in that way too.
[00:07:01] You can read every book under a plastic pain.
[00:07:03] You can understand the polyvagal theory backwards and forwards.
[00:07:06] But what I often see with people
[00:07:08] is that your nervous system
[00:07:09] will still be doing exactly what it's always done
[00:07:11] because understanding is processed
[00:07:14] in the prefrontal cortex
[00:07:16] and the nervous system lives somewhere much older
[00:07:18] much less rational than that.
[00:07:20] The subconscious that we are shifting
[00:07:23] that we're changing your parts of you
[00:07:25] that we're looking to
[00:07:27] that we're working on shifting
[00:07:29] to release the stress in your nervous system.
[00:07:31] Those are old, irrational, younger child parts of you.
[00:07:35] It does not operate off of understanding alone.
[00:07:37] And so what actually changes the nervous system is practice.
[00:07:40] Repetition, showing up again and again
[00:07:43] and doing the work even when it's uncomfortable,
[00:07:45] especially when it's uncomfortable.
[00:07:48] And here's what I've noticed.
[00:07:50] Both in my own experience and working with clients
[00:07:52] is that that kind of consistency
[00:07:54] is genuinely hard to maintain alone.
[00:07:56] Not because you're not motivated,
[00:07:58] not because you don't care,
[00:07:59] but because when you're chronically in pain
[00:08:02] and feel like shit,
[00:08:03] your resources are already stretched thin.
[00:08:06] And when a hard week hits or a flare comes
[00:08:09] or life just gets in the way,
[00:08:10] the thing that goes first is the healing work sometimes.
[00:08:13] Now, I've gotten to the point in my journey
[00:08:14] where that's not the case.
[00:08:16] It's very much so like the one thing
[00:08:19] that is constant in my life.
[00:08:20] My practice is every single day,
[00:08:22] my connection with myself every single day,
[00:08:26] non-negotiable.
[00:08:28] And because I genuinely want to now.
[00:08:30] Now, it looks very different
[00:08:31] than when I was truly in the midst of recovery.
[00:08:33] But my point being when you're learning this
[00:08:36] is sometimes harder to manage
[00:08:38] and keep up and know what you need.
[00:08:40] When you're doing it alone.
[00:08:41] And I've seen it happen so many times.
[00:08:42] Someone does really well for three weeks.
[00:08:45] Something hard happens.
[00:08:46] They fall off.
[00:08:46] They feel behind.
[00:08:48] They feel like they failed.
[00:08:50] And the shame of feeling like they failed
[00:08:52] makes it harder to come back.
[00:08:54] That cycle right there keeps people stuck
[00:08:57] way longer than the nervous system pattern itself.
[00:09:00] That is where support matters.
[00:09:03] You are not going to do this perfectly.
[00:09:05] You won't at all.
[00:09:06] It will go up and down.
[00:09:07] Healing is not linear.
[00:09:09] And you're not meant to do it perfectly.
[00:09:11] I don't know about you,
[00:09:12] but anytime I have been in a flare,
[00:09:14] I go to is I just start watching videos.
[00:09:18] I start connecting with people.
[00:09:20] I start figuring out, okay,
[00:09:21] what can help me right now?
[00:09:23] And if I had the support and the community
[00:09:26] that is available now back then,
[00:09:29] man, I cannot imagine like how that would have been different.
[00:09:32] I wouldn't have been stuck for so long.
[00:09:34] It felt like absolute poo.
[00:09:36] I felt really depressed.
[00:09:38] I would have had support
[00:09:39] that would have helped me get out of that.
[00:09:40] So I want to get a little sciency for a second
[00:09:44] because this part is actually fascinating.
[00:09:46] There's a concept in nervous system science
[00:09:48] called co-regulation.
[00:09:49] And what it basically means is that
[00:09:51] our nervous systems regulate
[00:09:53] in relationship with other nervous systems.
[00:09:55] We are wired, literally wired,
[00:09:57] to calm down in the presence of other calm, safe humans.
[00:10:00] This is why you can feel your whole body exhale
[00:10:06] when you're around someone who really gets it.
[00:10:08] Why a conversation with the right person
[00:10:11] can shift something in you
[00:10:12] that an hour of solo meditation couldn't touch?
[00:10:16] Why being truly witness, truly seen
[00:10:20] by someone who understands what you're carrying
[00:10:22] changes something at a physiological level.
[00:10:25] We are not designed to heal in isolation.
[00:10:28] We are collectivistic people.
[00:10:30] And that's not just a motivational statement
[00:10:32] that's biology.
[00:10:34] Yet, the vast majority of healing content out there,
[00:10:37] including a lot of what I've created, is consumed alone
[00:10:40] on headphones and a bedroom without anyone else in the room.
[00:10:43] Which is fine.
[00:10:44] It really is.
[00:10:45] It's a starting point.
[00:10:46] It's how I got through so much
[00:10:48] by listening and repeating meditations over and over.
[00:10:51] And that's a huge part of this.
[00:10:52] Don't get me wrong.
[00:10:53] That is important, but it's not the whole picture.
[00:10:56] So, okay.
[00:10:58] I had a client last year,
[00:11:01] name Anonymous, of course,
[00:11:02] who had been doing nervous system work on her own
[00:11:04] for about two years.
[00:11:05] She understood it well.
[00:11:07] She was being seen by empathetic and compassionate practitioners.
[00:11:12] She had some tools, you know, going for walks,
[00:11:15] trying to create space in her schedule,
[00:11:17] trying to down-regulate during a stressful time,
[00:11:20] breathing, trying out some meditation,
[00:11:22] and, you know, was kind of making progress slowly,
[00:11:26] but kept hitting a ceiling she couldn't break through.
[00:11:29] Once she started working with us more consistently,
[00:11:31] showing up to calls, being in community
[00:11:34] with other people doing this work,
[00:11:35] within about six weeks,
[00:11:37] she told me that something shifted,
[00:11:38] that two years of solo work hadn't been able to shift.
[00:11:41] And she was like, honestly,
[00:11:43] I think I just needed to not be alone in it.
[00:11:45] I didn't realize how much I felt shame
[00:11:48] that I was still struggling after two years.
[00:11:51] I felt like I should be better by now.
[00:11:53] And what I'm realizing is being seen by others,
[00:11:56] they get it and don't judge me for it,
[00:11:57] has really helped, and they don't feel alone.
[00:12:00] And now I've learned others' tools that, you know,
[00:12:03] people are asking, and they're getting feedback on it.
[00:12:06] And I realize that's helpful for me.
[00:12:08] And it's really catapulted my healing.
[00:12:10] That, I was like, yes, this is it.
[00:12:13] This is, this is so important.
[00:12:15] And I mean, I've said this time and time again,
[00:12:17] if you've listened, that I created
[00:12:19] the MindBody Healing Method group live program.
[00:12:22] That's when I started this a few years ago.
[00:12:24] I created it because I wanted to build
[00:12:26] something I didn't have.
[00:12:27] I wanted to build the community.
[00:12:28] I wanted to build a step-by-step process
[00:12:31] by a therapist who has trauma as a background,
[00:12:34] trauma training to help people understand
[00:12:37] all the components and give them this safe group space
[00:12:40] to be a part of.
[00:12:41] I did take a pause on the group for a little bit
[00:12:43] because I needed to restructure it.
[00:12:45] I kept getting feedback that maybe it wasn't long enough
[00:12:48] or there's too much pressure to get through it
[00:12:50] in a certain amount of time.
[00:12:51] And I also kept seeing the same gap with people
[00:12:54] that would just go through it on their own, right?
[00:12:57] They would understand it, they'd start it,
[00:12:59] applying it, and then kind of drift
[00:13:01] without the structure to keep going.
[00:13:03] Without someone to ask questions to when something came up.
[00:13:06] Without a community of people who were in it with them.
[00:13:09] So I've been really trying to like sit with this
[00:13:11] for a little bit, try to figure out
[00:13:13] how to help you in this journey, right?
[00:13:15] What's gonna really support you the best?
[00:13:18] I still want the community component.
[00:13:20] I think that's so important.
[00:13:21] The group components, you can be seen by others,
[00:13:23] you can get the feedback, you can share
[00:13:25] and go through it with people that get it
[00:13:28] and have consistent access.
[00:13:30] Not just this like time period
[00:13:32] where you have to create it in three months
[00:13:33] and or complete it in three months
[00:13:35] and then you should be better, right?
[00:13:37] There's a lot of time constraints on that.
[00:13:39] Okay, so I'm going to be real with you
[00:13:40] about where I'm landing with all this.
[00:13:42] What we have to help you is first and foremost
[00:13:46] the Mind Body Healing Method course.
[00:13:48] It is the foundation, the practices,
[00:13:50] the information that keeps getting updated
[00:13:53] and will always be with you.
[00:13:55] It is the true foundation, the step by step,
[00:13:58] built by me, a trauma-trained therapist,
[00:14:00] everything you need to actually understand
[00:14:02] and work with what's driving your symptoms.
[00:14:04] Really understand your nervous system
[00:14:06] and heal that root cause.
[00:14:08] And I've watched people go through it
[00:14:10] and have genuine breakthroughs,
[00:14:11] like real ones getting your life back.
[00:14:14] And so that first and foremost,
[00:14:17] if you've been curious about it,
[00:14:18] 100% go to the link below
[00:14:20] and get in on the self-paced Mind Body Healing Method
[00:14:23] course, you can have it in your back pocket every day.
[00:14:25] But what I've started to see,
[00:14:27] like I've mentioned,
[00:14:28] is that people would get in, start doing the work
[00:14:33] and then drift a little bit.
[00:14:34] Not because the content wasn't good or wasn't helpful,
[00:14:37] but just because they were doing it alone,
[00:14:39] it didn't really help the accountability
[00:14:41] and might feel stuck a little bit at times.
[00:14:43] And also, that's 100% normal.
[00:14:47] Let's talk about resistance for a second.
[00:14:49] Resistance is not always conscious.
[00:14:51] It's not that you're doing it on purpose.
[00:14:53] Resistance can look like procrastination.
[00:14:55] It can look like this subtle way
[00:14:57] of you not wanting to show up,
[00:14:59] and that's truly your nervous system impacting you.
[00:15:02] So think of it this way.
[00:15:03] If all of your symptoms are protecting you
[00:15:07] from unfelt emotions, quote-unquote dangerous emotions,
[00:15:11] old experiences you didn't want to think through
[00:15:13] or feeling grounded and settled in your body,
[00:15:15] in your life,
[00:15:16] making certain decisions around relationships
[00:15:18] or work or career,
[00:15:19] we're asking you to look at that.
[00:15:21] So in healing your nervous system and recovery,
[00:15:25] you're actually digging up
[00:15:27] and doing the things that your symptoms,
[00:15:29] your chronic pain and illness has protected you from.
[00:15:31] So can you only imagine
[00:15:33] that it's going to yell back at you
[00:15:36] or it's gonna keep sending you symptoms
[00:15:37] or it's gonna divert your attention
[00:15:40] and create new thoughts in your brain to think like,
[00:15:42] ah, I don't know how to do this.
[00:15:43] I'm not gonna do this.
[00:15:45] That's completely normal.
[00:15:47] What I have found is that,
[00:15:49] obviously like having someone help you through it,
[00:15:52] accountability is really important
[00:15:54] and in a place that you feel safe, comfortable and grounded.
[00:15:58] So this is what I'm gonna start offering next
[00:16:01] are small intimate groups.
[00:16:04] So I've offered a group before,
[00:16:06] but they've been a little bit bigger
[00:16:07] and more people coming in and out.
[00:16:09] This one is going to be small contained groups.
[00:16:12] So I only enroll six people max in each group
[00:16:16] and we don't start unless we have enough people
[00:16:20] and I make sure I pair people together
[00:16:23] that I know are going to be a good fit together.
[00:16:25] That you probably get each other
[00:16:26] that might understand it a little bit more, right?
[00:16:29] This is for people who have been
[00:16:31] in the mind, body healing method.
[00:16:32] So by the way, if this sounds interesting to you,
[00:16:35] download the self face, get started
[00:16:37] and then apply to be in a small group.
[00:16:38] This is really for people who are in that course
[00:16:41] but want to go through it with other people
[00:16:43] who are actually in it with them.
[00:16:45] This is not a Facebook group or a messaging board
[00:16:48] where messages get lost in the void.
[00:16:50] It is a real intentional container with people who get it
[00:16:53] where you don't have to explain yourself
[00:16:55] or your weird health issues because we get it, right?
[00:16:58] And it's all led by me.
[00:17:01] This is where you can be seen by others
[00:17:02] going through the same thing.
[00:17:04] And this is the community piece I was missing
[00:17:07] for so long, it actually exists now.
[00:17:09] So we work privately with people one on one.
[00:17:13] And I've done that a lot for myself
[00:17:15] but to be honest, I think that I never really joined
[00:17:18] a group one in the beginning
[00:17:19] because I didn't know about them.
[00:17:21] And two, I was a little hesitant.
[00:17:23] I'm not gonna lie.
[00:17:23] Like groups can be a little vulnerable for me
[00:17:26] and I tend to not do them all the time.
[00:17:30] I think it a little overwhelmed
[00:17:31] or I just have some social anxiety that happens.
[00:17:35] And this is why I'm creating these smaller containers
[00:17:39] because if you resonate with that,
[00:17:40] I want you to be able to feel seen and show up
[00:17:43] and maybe make some friends out of it.
[00:17:45] So the starting point is the course.
[00:17:48] That's where you start.
[00:17:49] You can go to the link in the show notes
[00:17:50] and get the mind body healing method
[00:17:51] at your own pace in your own time.
[00:17:54] And then apply for a small group.
[00:17:57] You'll be the first to know
[00:17:58] and you'll already have the foundation to actually use it.
[00:18:01] Meaning you'll be the first to know when it opens
[00:18:04] because I'll be sending out emails privately
[00:18:06] to the people who are already
[00:18:07] in the mind body healing method.
[00:18:09] And so if you feel like, yeah, I do want support.
[00:18:11] I want accountability.
[00:18:12] I want help to move through this.
[00:18:15] That's why I created these
[00:18:16] and I'm really excited to get them started.
[00:18:17] We're actually starting our first one in April.
[00:18:19] So if you want to get in on that,
[00:18:22] if you're already in the course and you're like,
[00:18:23] oh yeah, I feel like this is the missing piece
[00:18:25] that I've wanted, let me know.
[00:18:28] You will be getting an email after in the course.
[00:18:30] So you'll just reply to that.
[00:18:32] If you miss it
[00:18:33] or you feel like you didn't receive it,
[00:18:35] just let me know and I'll walk you through it.
[00:18:38] This is where the information plus the practice
[00:18:41] plus the people really moves the needle.
[00:18:43] Everything you need to know is in the show notes.
[00:18:45] I would love to see you in there.
[00:18:46] Thank you for being here.
[00:18:48] Thank you for doing this work.
[00:18:49] It really matters more than you know
[00:18:51] to share this podcast, to keep it going,
[00:18:54] let more people know about this work.
[00:18:56] That's my mission
[00:18:57] and I really thank you for being here.
[00:19:00] All right, keep healing with Grace
[00:19:01] and I'll see you next week.
[00:19:04] If this podcast means something to you
[00:19:05] it would mean so much to me
[00:19:07] if you could do these couple things.
[00:19:09] One, go to the heal with grace show page
[00:19:11] wherever you listen
[00:19:12] and tap the plus sign or click on the follow button
[00:19:14] so you don't miss an episode.
[00:19:16] It helps both of us out.
[00:19:18] While you're there,
[00:19:19] if you could give a five star review
[00:19:21] so that this podcast can reach more people
[00:19:23] it would mean so much to me
[00:19:25] so I can continue sharing episodes
[00:19:27] that help you as well as others.
[00:19:29] Thanks for listening
[00:19:30] and I hope this brings you hope on your journey.